Talk:E. Alex Jung - Revision history

https://www.wikicu.com/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=Talk%3AE._Alex_Jung Talk:E. Alex Jung - Revision history 2026-05-18T15:13:11Z Revision history for this page on the wiki MediaWiki 1.31.8 https://www.wikicu.com/index.php?title=Talk:E._Alex_Jung&diff=12115&oldid=prev Stephen.wang at 06:30, 27 April 2007 2007-04-27T06:30:57Z

<p></p> <table class="diff diff-contentalign-left" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #222; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #222; text-align: center;">Revision as of 06:30, 27 April 2007</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l15" >Line 15:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 15:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:*In the future, if you disagree with the article, please do not delete the entire article. Please try to do your best to amend the article if you disagree with it and add your own perspective, but please for the love of god don't delete the article. [[User:Stephen.wang|wang]] 02:22, 27 April 2007 (EDT)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:*In the future, if you disagree with the article, please do not delete the entire article. Please try to do your best to amend the article if you disagree with it and add your own perspective, but please for the love of god don't delete the article. [[User:Stephen.wang|wang]] 02:22, 27 April 2007 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::*additionally, given the quotes and the context of the articles, I don't think any part of the "views on race" section are that big of a stretch, a personal attack, etc. People need to be willing to stand beside their views expressed in oral and written literature. If you write things like that, people obviously will and can be critical of those views. Jung has nothing to be embarrassed about, I think his views are legitimate and have a serious place in the realm of discussion. The thing about him satirizing about dancing with chopsticks in his hair, it's a good insight into how he views his environment.[[User:Stephen.wang|wang]] 02:27, 27 April 2007 (EDT)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::*additionally, given the quotes and the context of the articles, I don't think any part of the "views on race" section are that big of a stretch, a personal attack, etc. People need to be willing to stand beside their views expressed in oral and written literature. If you write things like that, people obviously will and can be critical of those views. Jung has nothing to be embarrassed about, I think his views are legitimate and have a serious place in the realm of discussion. The thing about him satirizing about dancing with chopsticks in his hair, it's a good insight into how he views his environment<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">. His words and articles stand on their own and are available for everyone to read on teh internets; so is a well articulated response by Dov Friedman</ins>. [[User:Stephen.wang|wang]] 02:27, 27 April 2007 (EDT)</div></td></tr> </table>

Stephen.wang https://www.wikicu.com/index.php?title=Talk:E._Alex_Jung&diff=12112&oldid=prev Stephen.wang at 06:27, 27 April 2007 2007-04-27T06:27:55Z

<p></p> <table class="diff diff-contentalign-left" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #222; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #222; text-align: center;">Revision as of 06:27, 27 April 2007</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l15" >Line 15:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 15:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:*In the future, if you disagree with the article, please do not delete the entire article. Please try to do your best to amend the article if you disagree with it and add your own perspective, but please for the love of god don't delete the article. [[User:Stephen.wang|wang]] 02:22, 27 April 2007 (EDT)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:*In the future, if you disagree with the article, please do not delete the entire article. Please try to do your best to amend the article if you disagree with it and add your own perspective, but please for the love of god don't delete the article. [[User:Stephen.wang|wang]] 02:22, 27 April 2007 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::*additionally, given the quotes and the context of the articles, I don't think any part of the "views on race" section are that big of a stretch, a personal attack, etc. People need to be willing to stand beside their views expressed in oral and written literature. If you write things like that, people obviously will and can be critical of those views. Jung has nothing to be embarrassed about, I think his views are legitimate and have a serious place in the realm of discussion. The thing about him satirizing about dancing with chopsticks in his hair, it's a good insight into how he views his environment.[[User:Stephen.wang|wang]] 02:27, 27 April 2007 (EDT)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Stephen.wang https://www.wikicu.com/index.php?title=Talk:E._Alex_Jung&diff=12108&oldid=prev Stephen.wang at 06:22, 27 April 2007 2007-04-27T06:22:07Z

<p></p> <table class="diff diff-contentalign-left" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #222; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #222; text-align: center;">Revision as of 06:22, 27 April 2007</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l13" >Line 13:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 13:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Please Include no further information unless the subject approves the creation of this page {{sig|Wahrheit|02:15, 27 April 2007 (EDT)}}</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Please Include no further information unless the subject approves the creation of this page {{sig|Wahrheit|02:15, 27 April 2007 (EDT)}}</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:*In the future, if you disagree with the article, please do not delete the entire article. Please try to do your best to amend the article if you disagree with it and add your own perspective, but please for the love of god don't delete the article. [[User:Stephen.wang|wang]] 02:22, 27 April 2007 (EDT)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Stephen.wang https://www.wikicu.com/index.php?title=Talk:E._Alex_Jung&diff=12106&oldid=prev Reaganaut at 06:15, 27 April 2007 2007-04-27T06:15:01Z

<p></p> <table class="diff diff-contentalign-left" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #222; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #222; text-align: center;">Revision as of 06:15, 27 April 2007</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l12" >Line 12:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 12:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:: There's an easy solution to this. Just write "I think his columns are shitty" and sign it with four tildes. Problem solved. [[User:Feinstein|Feinstein]] 13:59, 26 April 2007 (EDT)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:: There's an easy solution to this. Just write "I think his columns are shitty" and sign it with four tildes. Problem solved. [[User:Feinstein|Feinstein]] 13:59, 26 April 2007 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Please Include no further information unless the subject approves the creation of this page</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Please Include no further information unless the subject approves the creation of this page <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">{{sig|Wahrheit|02:15, 27 April 2007 (EDT)}}</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Reaganaut https://www.wikicu.com/index.php?title=Talk:E._Alex_Jung&diff=12102&oldid=prev Wahrheit at 06:02, 27 April 2007 2007-04-27T06:02:54Z

<p></p> <table class="diff diff-contentalign-left" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #222; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #222; text-align: center;">Revision as of 06:02, 27 April 2007</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l11" >Line 11:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 11:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:: There's an easy solution to this. Just write "I think his columns are shitty" and sign it with four tildes. Problem solved. [[User:Feinstein|Feinstein]] 13:59, 26 April 2007 (EDT)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:: There's an easy solution to this. Just write "I think his columns are shitty" and sign it with four tildes. Problem solved. [[User:Feinstein|Feinstein]] 13:59, 26 April 2007 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Please Include no further information unless the subject approves the creation of this page</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Wahrheit https://www.wikicu.com/index.php?title=Talk:E._Alex_Jung&diff=11985&oldid=prev Feinstein at 17:59, 26 April 2007 2007-04-26T17:59:03Z

<p></p> <table class="diff diff-contentalign-left" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #222; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #222; text-align: center;">Revision as of 17:59, 26 April 2007</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l9" >Line 9:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 9:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>: Fair point. I just don't like being moralized to. [[User:Reaganaut|Reaganaut]] 13:33, 26 April 2007 (EDT)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>: Fair point. I just don't like being moralized to. [[User:Reaganaut|Reaganaut]] 13:33, 26 April 2007 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:: There's an easy solution to this. Just write "I think his columns are shitty" and sign it with four tildes. Problem solved. [[User:Feinstein|Feinstein]] 13:59, 26 April 2007 (EDT)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Feinstein https://www.wikicu.com/index.php?title=Talk:E._Alex_Jung&diff=11983&oldid=prev Reaganaut at 17:33, 26 April 2007 2007-04-26T17:33:33Z

<p></p> <table class="diff diff-contentalign-left" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #222; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #222; text-align: center;">Revision as of 17:33, 26 April 2007</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l7" >Line 7:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 7:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Whoa --- that got pretty flaming pretty fast. Look I have never read a Jung column, and don't know the guy, and don't care about him. But I do like wikicu. So maybe we should try to avoid things that could get wikicu in hot water (for example, the kind wikipedia is facing thanks to biography pages considered defaming) by including things which might appear to require us to speculate (e.g., to his mindset). Honestly let's try to think long term here about what a good tool wikicu could be and limit legal exposure. (cf [http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0222071fuzzy1.html] or [http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2005-11-29-wikipedia-edit_x.htm]) [[User:Random|Random]] 13:12, 26 April 2007 (EDT)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Whoa --- that got pretty flaming pretty fast. Look I have never read a Jung column, and don't know the guy, and don't care about him. But I do like wikicu. So maybe we should try to avoid things that could get wikicu in hot water (for example, the kind wikipedia is facing thanks to biography pages considered defaming) by including things which might appear to require us to speculate (e.g., to his mindset). Honestly let's try to think long term here about what a good tool wikicu could be and limit legal exposure. (cf [http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0222071fuzzy1.html] or [http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2005-11-29-wikipedia-edit_x.htm]) [[User:Random|Random]] 13:12, 26 April 2007 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">: Fair point. I just don't like being moralized to. [[User:Reaganaut|Reaganaut]] 13:33, 26 April 2007 (EDT)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Reaganaut https://www.wikicu.com/index.php?title=Talk:E._Alex_Jung&diff=11982&oldid=prev Random at 17:19, 26 April 2007 2007-04-26T17:19:13Z

<p></p> <table class="diff diff-contentalign-left" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #222; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #222; text-align: center;">Revision as of 17:19, 26 April 2007</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l6" >Line 6:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 6:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>: OK, great, I don't care. I have no need to "examine" myself. By the way, I wasn't defending "whiteness" or "white people". [[User:Reaganaut|Reaganaut]] 12:56, 26 April 2007 (EDT)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>: OK, great, I don't care. I have no need to "examine" myself. By the way, I wasn't defending "whiteness" or "white people". [[User:Reaganaut|Reaganaut]] 12:56, 26 April 2007 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Whoa --- that got pretty flaming pretty fast. Look I have never read a Jung column, and don't know the guy, and don't care about him. But I do like wikicu. So maybe we should try to avoid things that could get wikicu in hot water (for example, the kind wikipedia is facing thanks to biography pages considered defaming) by including things which might appear to require us to speculate (e.g., to his mindset). Honestly let's try to think long term here about what a good tool wikicu could be and limit legal exposure. [[User:Random|Random]] 13:12, 26 April 2007 (EDT)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Whoa --- that got pretty flaming pretty fast. Look I have never read a Jung column, and don't know the guy, and don't care about him. But I do like wikicu. So maybe we should try to avoid things that could get wikicu in hot water (for example, the kind wikipedia is facing thanks to biography pages considered defaming) by including things which might appear to require us to speculate (e.g., to his mindset). Honestly let's try to think long term here about what a good tool wikicu could be and limit legal exposure. <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">(cf [http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0222071fuzzy1.html] or [http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2005-11-29-wikipedia-edit_x.htm]) </ins>[[User:Random|Random]] 13:12, 26 April 2007 (EDT)</div></td></tr> </table>

Random https://www.wikicu.com/index.php?title=Talk:E._Alex_Jung&diff=11981&oldid=prev Random at 17:12, 26 April 2007 2007-04-26T17:12:04Z

<p></p> <table class="diff diff-contentalign-left" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #222; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #222; text-align: center;">Revision as of 17:12, 26 April 2007</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l5" >Line 5:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 5:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>: OK, great, I don't care. I have no need to "examine" myself. By the way, I wasn't defending "whiteness" or "white people". [[User:Reaganaut|Reaganaut]] 12:56, 26 April 2007 (EDT)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>: OK, great, I don't care. I have no need to "examine" myself. By the way, I wasn't defending "whiteness" or "white people". [[User:Reaganaut|Reaganaut]] 12:56, 26 April 2007 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Whoa --- that got pretty flaming pretty fast. Look I have never read a Jung column, and don't know the guy, and don't care about him. But I do like wikicu. So maybe we should try to avoid things that could get wikicu in hot water (for example, the kind wikipedia is facing thanks to biography pages considered defaming) by including things which might appear to require us to speculate (e.g., to his mindset). Honestly let's try to think long term here about what a good tool wikicu could be and limit legal exposure. [[User:Random|Random]] 13:12, 26 April 2007 (EDT)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Random https://www.wikicu.com/index.php?title=Talk:E._Alex_Jung&diff=11980&oldid=prev Reaganaut at 16:55, 26 April 2007 2007-04-26T16:55:58Z

<p></p> <table class="diff diff-contentalign-left" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #222; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #222; text-align: center;">Revision as of 16:55, 26 April 2007</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l3" >Line 3:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 3:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In my own personal view, I would disagree with your statements that he "hates whites," and "writes shitty columns". My concern, however, is not so much with the validity of your statements, but rather, the motivation for writing those words. If, as you say, Jungs comments seem to you to express a hatred of white people, i would suggest that perhaps you should examine yourself, and consider what it is that makes you so quick to defend whiteness and white people.  Jung is pointing to the nature of a society that still practices numerous forms of racism and racialized thinking. Critiqing that mode of thought, which so often privileges whiteness, is something that perhaps we should all do a little bit more often. --[[User:Sbr2113|Sbr2113]] 12:43, 26 April 2007 (EDT)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In my own personal view, I would disagree with your statements that he "hates whites," and "writes shitty columns". My concern, however, is not so much with the validity of your statements, but rather, the motivation for writing those words. If, as you say, Jungs comments seem to you to express a hatred of white people, i would suggest that perhaps you should examine yourself, and consider what it is that makes you so quick to defend whiteness and white people.  Jung is pointing to the nature of a society that still practices numerous forms of racism and racialized thinking. Critiqing that mode of thought, which so often privileges whiteness, is something that perhaps we should all do a little bit more often. --[[User:Sbr2113|Sbr2113]] 12:43, 26 April 2007 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">: OK, great, I don't care. I have no need to "examine" myself. By the way, I wasn't defending "whiteness" or "white people". [[User:Reaganaut|Reaganaut]] 12:56, 26 April 2007 (EDT)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

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