Talk:Style guide for alumni pages - Revision history

Cam2171 at 20:06, 17 April 2012

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Ttan at 08:33, 29 November 2007

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Ttan at 08:07, 29 November 2007

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Ttan at 07:52, 29 November 2007

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Pacman at 07:35, 29 November 2007

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Ttan at 07:31, 29 November 2007

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Ttan at 07:30, 29 November 2007

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Pacman at 07:17, 29 November 2007

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Ttan at 07:14, 29 November 2007

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Pacman at 07:02, 29 November 2007

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		+	*Soooooo I updated it to bring it in line with the University guidelines, to help make things clearer and easier going forward. I know the new system takes a little getting used to, but at least it's standardized in all University, publications, right? [[User:Cam2171\|-\|- cam2171 -\|-]] 16:06, 17 April 2012 (EDT)
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	*Not all B-school grads are MBA recipients. Or at least I don't think so...		*Not all B-school grads are MBA recipients. Or at least I don't think so...
	:Right, they also give out a PhD, but it's rare. That's why I parenthesesed MBA and left open other styles for other B-school degrees. I would recommend something like: [[PhD]] (Business) [[User:Pacman\|Pacman]] 23:45, 28 November 2007 (EST)		:Right, they also give out a PhD, but it's rare. That's why I parenthesesed MBA and left open other styles for other B-school degrees. I would recommend something like: [[PhD]] (Business) [[User:Pacman\|Pacman]] 23:45, 28 November 2007 (EST)

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 ::::::Bon? [[User:Ttan|Ttan]] 02:30, 29 November 2007 (EST)
 :::::::That's better, although I'd still prefer in the latter case that the MS be parenthetical (the exception being the degree, not the school). It might need to be the case, I guess, to be consistent with the B-School example. [[User:Pacman|Pacman]] 02:35, 29 November 2007 (EST)
-::::::::I know it's damn hard to want to use CC and SEAS instead of AB and BS, but what the fuck else can we do? GS awards both BS and BA, and GSAS awards both MS and PhD is significant quantities. Ergo, the guidelines are:
+::::::::See main page for my system.[[User:Ttan|Ttan]] 03:33, 29 November 2007 (EST)

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 ::::::Bon? [[User:Ttan|Ttan]] 02:30, 29 November 2007 (EST)
 :::::::That's better, although I'd still prefer in the latter case that the MS be parenthetical (the exception being the degree, not the school). It might need to be the case, I guess, to be consistent with the B-School example. [[User:Pacman|Pacman]] 02:35, 29 November 2007 (EST)
 ::::::::I know it's damn hard to want to use CC and SEAS instead of AB and BS, but what the fuck else can we do? GS awards both BS and BA, and GSAS awards both MS and PhD is significant quantities. Ergo, the guidelines are:
 ::::::::*Where degrees are UNIQUE TO A SCHOOL '''and''' the SCHOOL ONLY GRANTS THE DEGREE (CC and the AB), use the SCHOOL, eg. CC '07

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	::::::Bon? [[User:Ttan\|Ttan]] 02:30, 29 November 2007 (EST)		::::::Bon? [[User:Ttan\|Ttan]] 02:30, 29 November 2007 (EST)
	:::::::That's better, although I'd still prefer in the latter case that the MS be parenthetical (the exception being the degree, not the school). It might need to be the case, I guess, to be consistent with the B-School example. [[User:Pacman\|Pacman]] 02:35, 29 November 2007 (EST)		:::::::That's better, although I'd still prefer in the latter case that the MS be parenthetical (the exception being the degree, not the school). It might need to be the case, I guess, to be consistent with the B-School example. [[User:Pacman\|Pacman]] 02:35, 29 November 2007 (EST)
		+	::::::::Whilst CC alums monopolising this forum, I propose the undergraduate degrees be denoted as follows:
		+	::::::::*CC = CC AB
		+	::::::::*SEAS = SEAS BS
		+	::::::::*MS (SEAS) = SEAS MS
		+	::::::::*EngScD = SEAS EngScD (PhDs are awarded by GSAS)
		+	::::::::*BC = Barnard BA
		+	::::::::*BA (GS) = GS BA
		+	::::::::*BS (GS) = GS BA
		+	::::::::*BA (Nursing) = Nursing BA
		+	::::::::I know it's damn hard to want to use CC and SEAS instead of AB and BS, but what the fuck else can we do? GS awards both BS and BA, and GSAS awards both MS and PhD is significant quantities. Ergo, the guidelines are:
		+	::::::::*Where degrees are UNIQUE TO A SCHOOL '''and''' the SCHOOL ONLY GRANTS THE DEGREE (CC and the AB), use the SCHOOL, eg. CC '07
		+	::::::::*Where degrees are UNIQUE TO A SCHOOL '''but''' the SCHOOL '''RARELY''' GRANTS OTHER DEGREES (Law: JD and JSD, Business: MBA and PhD), use the DEGREE., eg. JD '05, MBA '04
		+	::::::::*Where degrees are NOT UNIQUE TO A SCHOOL '''but''' the SCHOOL '''RARELY''' GRANTS OTHER DEGREES, use the SCHOOL., eg. Journalism '05.
		+	::::::::*Where degrees are NOT UNIQUE TO A SCHOOL '''and''' the SCHOOL GRANTS MULTIPLE DEGREES, use the DEGREE and then the school in parenthesis., eg. MS (Business) '51, MS (Journalism) '07, MS (Engineering) '05, PhD (GSAS) '08.
		+	::::::::*This oughta work. [[User:Ttan\|Ttan]] 02:52, 29 November 2007 (EST)

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	::::::*Irregular case = Anne Shmo, MS (Journalism) '07		::::::*Irregular case = Anne Shmo, MS (Journalism) '07
	::::::Bon? [[User:Ttan\|Ttan]] 02:30, 29 November 2007 (EST)		::::::Bon? [[User:Ttan\|Ttan]] 02:30, 29 November 2007 (EST)
		+	:::::::That's better, although I'd still prefer in the latter case that the MS be parenthetical (the exception being the degree, not the school). It might need to be the case, I guess, to be consistent with the B-School example. [[User:Pacman\|Pacman]] 02:35, 29 November 2007 (EST)

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 ::::There's one. Warren Buffett is MS '51, not MBA '51. [[User:Ttan|Ttan]] 02:14, 29 November 2007 (EST)
 :::::So in the case of the schools with multiple degrees it's preferable to use the name of the school and not the degree. That's clear - I think it works for journalism for which we can use [[J]] (MA) in the exceptional case. Is there a simple abbreviation for the Business School that would easily distinguish it from Barnard? Some publications use [[Bus]]... Similarly, the degree issue might be tricky with the Medical School...replace with [[P&S]]? [[User:Pacman|Pacman]] 02:17, 29 November 2007 (EST)
-::::::What I was proposing is establish a list of unambiguous list of associations, the exceptions which will be denoted. Ergo:
+::::::I disagree. Remember, this is a repository of accurate, detailed information. So if a school awards multiple degrees, we should distinguish what degree that person got. What I was proposing is establish a list of unambiguous list of associations, the exceptions which will be denoted. Ergo:
 ::::::*Regular MBA from CBS = Joe Shmo, MBA '07
 ::::::*Exceptional case = Warren Buffett, MS (Business) '51

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	::::There's one. Warren Buffett is MS '51, not MBA '51. [[User:Ttan\|Ttan]] 02:14, 29 November 2007 (EST)		::::There's one. Warren Buffett is MS '51, not MBA '51. [[User:Ttan\|Ttan]] 02:14, 29 November 2007 (EST)
	:::::So in the case of the schools with multiple degrees it's preferable to use the name of the school and not the degree. That's clear - I think it works for journalism for which we can use [[J]] (MA) in the exceptional case. Is there a simple abbreviation for the Business School that would easily distinguish it from Barnard? Some publications use [[Bus]]... Similarly, the degree issue might be tricky with the Medical School...replace with [[P&S]]? [[User:Pacman\|Pacman]] 02:17, 29 November 2007 (EST)		:::::So in the case of the schools with multiple degrees it's preferable to use the name of the school and not the degree. That's clear - I think it works for journalism for which we can use [[J]] (MA) in the exceptional case. Is there a simple abbreviation for the Business School that would easily distinguish it from Barnard? Some publications use [[Bus]]... Similarly, the degree issue might be tricky with the Medical School...replace with [[P&S]]? [[User:Pacman\|Pacman]] 02:17, 29 November 2007 (EST)
		+	::::::What I was proposing is establish a list of unambiguous list of associations, the exceptions which will be denoted. Ergo:
		+	::::::*Regular MBA from CBS = Joe Shmo, MBA '07
		+	::::::*Exceptional case = Warren Buffett, MS (Business) '51
		+	::::::*Regular Jrn grade = Jane Shmo, J '07
		+	::::::*Irregular case = Anne Shmo, MS (Journalism) '07
		+	::::::Bon? [[User:Ttan\|Ttan]] 02:30, 29 November 2007 (EST)

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	:::But the MA in Journalism is rarely rewarded. Most people ''assume'' a J-School grad earned an MS, or that a Business student earned an MBA. The number of exceptions to these is rare enough that we have no examples on WikiCU so far of anyone earning a different degree from either school. In other exceptions you've mentioned, the problem is alleviated by giving the year - the College never awarded both ABs and BAs, nor the law school LLBs and JDs, in the same year. So why not add in the cumbersome parentheses only in the case of a ridiculously rare exception, like someone actually earning a B-School PhD. Otherwise, it doesn't hurt to use the least obstructive and most common (i.e. CC '07 as a familiar abbreviation) forms. I mean, ''Columbia'' magazine, which represents the entire university, doesn't go so far as to distinguish specific degrees. The only degrees for which I disagree are the MA and PhD, because a) GSAS has a virtual monopoly on these anyway, b) "GSAS" is comparatively new and c) they're both given out at about the same rate. [[User:Pacman\|Pacman]] 02:02, 29 November 2007 (EST)		:::But the MA in Journalism is rarely rewarded. Most people ''assume'' a J-School grad earned an MS, or that a Business student earned an MBA. The number of exceptions to these is rare enough that we have no examples on WikiCU so far of anyone earning a different degree from either school. In other exceptions you've mentioned, the problem is alleviated by giving the year - the College never awarded both ABs and BAs, nor the law school LLBs and JDs, in the same year. So why not add in the cumbersome parentheses only in the case of a ridiculously rare exception, like someone actually earning a B-School PhD. Otherwise, it doesn't hurt to use the least obstructive and most common (i.e. CC '07 as a familiar abbreviation) forms. I mean, ''Columbia'' magazine, which represents the entire university, doesn't go so far as to distinguish specific degrees. The only degrees for which I disagree are the MA and PhD, because a) GSAS has a virtual monopoly on these anyway, b) "GSAS" is comparatively new and c) they're both given out at about the same rate. [[User:Pacman\|Pacman]] 02:02, 29 November 2007 (EST)
	::::There's one. Warren Buffett is MS '51, not MBA '51. [[User:Ttan\|Ttan]] 02:14, 29 November 2007 (EST)		::::There's one. Warren Buffett is MS '51, not MBA '51. [[User:Ttan\|Ttan]] 02:14, 29 November 2007 (EST)
		+	:::::So in the case of the schools with multiple degrees it's preferable to use the name of the school and not the degree. That's clear - I think it works for journalism for which we can use [[J]] (MA) in the exceptional case. Is there a simple abbreviation for the Business School that would easily distinguish it from Barnard? Some publications use [[Bus]]... Similarly, the degree issue might be tricky with the Medical School...replace with [[P&S]]? [[User:Pacman\|Pacman]] 02:17, 29 November 2007 (EST)

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	::That's about it. Even using "J" for Journalism is bad, because Journalism awards both MAs and MSes. [[User:Ttan\|Ttan]] 01:53, 29 November 2007 (EST)		::That's about it. Even using "J" for Journalism is bad, because Journalism awards both MAs and MSes. [[User:Ttan\|Ttan]] 01:53, 29 November 2007 (EST)
	:::But the MA in Journalism is rarely rewarded. Most people ''assume'' a J-School grad earned an MS, or that a Business student earned an MBA. The number of exceptions to these is rare enough that we have no examples on WikiCU so far of anyone earning a different degree from either school. In other exceptions you've mentioned, the problem is alleviated by giving the year - the College never awarded both ABs and BAs, nor the law school LLBs and JDs, in the same year. So why not add in the cumbersome parentheses only in the case of a ridiculously rare exception, like someone actually earning a B-School PhD. Otherwise, it doesn't hurt to use the least obstructive and most common (i.e. CC '07 as a familiar abbreviation) forms. I mean, ''Columbia'' magazine, which represents the entire university, doesn't go so far as to distinguish specific degrees. The only degrees for which I disagree are the MA and PhD, because a) GSAS has a virtual monopoly on these anyway, b) "GSAS" is comparatively new and c) they're both given out at about the same rate. [[User:Pacman\|Pacman]] 02:02, 29 November 2007 (EST)		:::But the MA in Journalism is rarely rewarded. Most people ''assume'' a J-School grad earned an MS, or that a Business student earned an MBA. The number of exceptions to these is rare enough that we have no examples on WikiCU so far of anyone earning a different degree from either school. In other exceptions you've mentioned, the problem is alleviated by giving the year - the College never awarded both ABs and BAs, nor the law school LLBs and JDs, in the same year. So why not add in the cumbersome parentheses only in the case of a ridiculously rare exception, like someone actually earning a B-School PhD. Otherwise, it doesn't hurt to use the least obstructive and most common (i.e. CC '07 as a familiar abbreviation) forms. I mean, ''Columbia'' magazine, which represents the entire university, doesn't go so far as to distinguish specific degrees. The only degrees for which I disagree are the MA and PhD, because a) GSAS has a virtual monopoly on these anyway, b) "GSAS" is comparatively new and c) they're both given out at about the same rate. [[User:Pacman\|Pacman]] 02:02, 29 November 2007 (EST)
		+	::::There's one. Warren Buffett is MS '51, not MBA '51. [[User:Ttan\|Ttan]] 02:14, 29 November 2007 (EST)

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	:::* MFA = SoA		:::* MFA = SoA
	::That's about it. Even using "J" for Journalism is bad, because Journalism awards both MAs and MSes. [[User:Ttan\|Ttan]] 01:53, 29 November 2007 (EST)		::That's about it. Even using "J" for Journalism is bad, because Journalism awards both MAs and MSes. [[User:Ttan\|Ttan]] 01:53, 29 November 2007 (EST)
		+	:::But the MA in Journalism is rarely rewarded. Most people ''assume'' a J-School grad earned an MS, or that a Business student earned an MBA. The number of exceptions to these is rare enough that we have no examples on WikiCU so far of anyone earning a different degree from either school. In other exceptions you've mentioned, the problem is alleviated by giving the year - the College never awarded both ABs and BAs, nor the law school LLBs and JDs, in the same year. So why not add in the cumbersome parentheses only in the case of a ridiculously rare exception, like someone actually earning a B-School PhD. Otherwise, it doesn't hurt to use the least obstructive and most common (i.e. CC '07 as a familiar abbreviation) forms. I mean, ''Columbia'' magazine, which represents the entire university, doesn't go so far as to distinguish specific degrees. The only degrees for which I disagree are the MA and PhD, because a) GSAS has a virtual monopoly on these anyway, b) "GSAS" is comparatively new and c) they're both given out at about the same rate. [[User:Pacman\|Pacman]] 02:02, 29 November 2007 (EST)